1978, after study at Banff School of Fine Art I moved to Berkeley, California renting a space at Andrée Singer Thompson’s studio. 1979, Jeanne Bisson and I stared to build our first studio loft in an old paint factory in Oakland,California. Dreaming of making pots and making a living, we participated in the ACC San Francisco show. 2020, Forty years later from Vermont, we are still making pots and participating Bay Area Craft Week, not in person but through the internet.